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  • Robots, Help?

    Governments, here the US, are producing robots that could go anywhere in the world and destroy people, life, buildings...

    http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/14/robots-war-military-technology-personal-tech-robots.html?partner=technology_newsletter

    In theory any country, and anyone (think the bad guys in James Bond movies or the mafia, drug gangs, extremist groups ?) could have robots which they can control from their own home anywhere in the world. They could be sitting at home and destroy all life in other place even on the other side of the world. ... a real life computer Wargame, just parachute drop wherever required.. or evn design them to fly there themselves.. eeek ( must cut down my imagination!!!)

    So we can have unidentified robots invading anywhere. The robots could be all identical.. no identity giveaways as to who is controlling them? no torture is going to reveal who controls them.
    The ultimate stealth weapon which could be used by any military or faction or extremist or fundamentalist group or even any person who has gone "around the twist" to "control"/ "destroy"/ "payback" with NO identity giveaway?

    In theory there's the possibility of using these robots to destroy all carbon life within miles(neutron bombs?). It wouldn't hurt the robots at all! Other robots could be used for germwarfare to spread chemicals or disease perhaps a little less easily? Others can merely destroy in the more conventional fashion either by firing at targets or becoming "suicide robots" carrying many kinds of bombs?
    How easily can a "invaded" country stop these robots?

    Is this what we really want our govts to spend our taxes on. Is it a "safe" direction to be following?

    OR has my imagination run a tad wild in uses for these unidentifiable robots?
    Consider the difficulties in policing these things! OK every country would have to have a complete ban on them, right? So what will they ban.. all robots? I guess to police them it'd be destroy ASAP?.. then try to ask questions later.. but who to question?

    I sure hope it doesn't happen!!! Then again, to an extent the are being used already by the US to help Iraq?? I wonder how the Iraq people feel about them. Maybe there are not enough compared to the tanks etc. to be concerned about as yet?

    A++ for technology development with no thought for consequences!!

    A penny for your thoughts?

  • More utube - animal rescues

    Dog
    http://au.video.yahoo.com/watch/4728828/12631051

    Dolphin Rescues Stranded Whales
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFyPPYCapcA

  • Sharemarket bubbles

    Recollections of the Greatest Market Bubble Ever…

    More and more professional money managers recognize the overvaluation of the
    US market but cynically go along for the ride. They all are convinced that
    the market needs a "trigger" to stop the mutual fund flows that have led to
    current record valuations. It might be useful to look at other greater
    bubbles in history in this regard.

    Memories of the Souk al Manakh by Frank Veneroso

    How large can a bubble grow before it bursts? Farther than you think. And
    there need not be a fatal pinprick that makes it burst. And when it bursts,
    the crash that ensues can be deeper and more discontinuous than you could
    ever imagine.

    In May of 1982, while the bear market in US stocks was in its deepest
    throes, and the epic bear market in US bonds was still completing its base,
    I was called to advise on the greatest stock market bubble of all time---the
    Souk al Manakh in the Persian Gulf. Kuwait had had an organized stock market
    for some time. The great wealth created in Kuwait by the rise in the oil
    price in the 1970's led to seemingly endless appreciation in Kuwaiti stocks.
    In the Arab states in those days, only sheiks could grant corporate
    charters, and only corporations could become publicly traded companies. The
    royal family of Kuwait did not freely grant corporate charters for companies
    that might become vehicles for stock speculation, so there was a shortage of
    stocks to trade. This shortage and the new unparalleled wealth that was
    looking for vehicles of speculation gave rise to an over the counter market
    in Kuwait city where shares in companies domiciled elsewhere in the
    Gulf---principally Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates---were traded.
    Housed in a converted air-conditioned parking garage, this market was known
    as the Souk al Manakh---the camel market.

    I was asked at the time by the government of the United Arab Emirates to
    advise on the creation of a stock exchange in the Emirates. Great fortunes
    were being made in shares of companies domiciled in the Emirates at the
    time. Why not bring all this wonderful new stock market activity home?

    For six weeks I worked out of an office in the UAE central bank in Abu
    Dhabi. The city was modern, laid out along a crescent beach at the end of a
    promontory into the Gulf. The central bank was a modern glass building
    behind severe cement columns that met in graceful Moorish arches. From a
    great glass window of this modern building, I could see along a turquoise
    backwater old tanned fisherman working on brightly painted ancient fishing
    dhows that were beached on the blinding sands. The Sheik of Abu Dhabi was
    the richest man in the world then. Only a few decades earlier his brother,
    the former ruler, was afraid to walk the streets of what was then a small
    sandy seaside fishing village for fear of his creditors.

    Being a macro oriented, top-down man, I set about to see how great a supply
    of stocks had been made available for trading on a formal market in the UAE.
    The results were simply unbelievable. The market capitalization of the
    Kuwait exchange and the Souk al Manakh combined ranked third in the world,
    behind the US and Japan. It was greater than that of the UK with all its
    foreign listed companies. How could this be? I asked, for both
    geographically and economically speaking, these few countries---Kuwait,
    Bahrain, and the Emirates (the former Trucial States under British
    domination)---were only postage stamps of sand on the globe. Oil had brought
    wealth to these small countries but their combined economies were still very
    small compared to those of the US or Japan or the UK. More striking was the
    fact that most of the visible wealth was not reflected in these companies.
    The rulers of these sheikdoms owned the oil wealth. The hugely expensive
    real estate was privately held, as were the extremely lucrative import
    franchises. What assets and income underpinned these multi-billion dollar
    market caps?

    We did a bottoms up study to find out. In Bahrain, a financial center, there
    were banks, seemingly of substance. There was a raft of companies that made
    cement and clinker. These companies were domiciled in five former Trucial
    states whose names you never heard of that, alas, had no oil. There was a
    company or two that imported sheep and goats for slaughter. And then there
    was a handful of other companies whose principal activities were not at all
    obvious.

    The Sheik of Abu Dubai was the richest man in the world at the time and the
    Ruler of Dubai was also quite well to do. The five other sheiks who had no
    oil were poor cousins. For founders shares these oil poor sheiks granted
    charters for corporations that could be traded on the Souk al Manakh. I can
    remember driving one day to a small derelict town that was the capital of
    one of these oil poor sheikdoms to analyze a company with a high flying
    stock on Kuwait's OTC market. For the life of me, on the balance sheet of
    this company I could find no assets of any kind. It dawned on me that,
    behind most of this third ranking stock market cap in the world, there were
    only a few cement and clinker plants, a slaughter house or two, and quite a
    few shell games.

    How do you tell your host government that the stock market they want to
    bring home is a shell game? I pondered this diplomatic quandary for weeks as
    I looked out my office window at those ancient painted dhows in the desert
    sun. In the end I mustered the courage to tell the truth. "It is all a
    bubble," I told my client-. "And it will burst." To my relief and amazement,
    I was greeted, not with displeasure, but with laughter. "You Westerners have
    been coming here for five years", they told me, "and to a man you all have
    predicted a crash. Don't you understand, there has never been a place on
    earth like the Gulf with such unprecedented wealth? You will never
    understand that the Gulf market cannot crash."

    I had a long time friend in London. His name was Ali. He was one of several
    Anglo Arab investment bankers that flourished in London in those years. When
    I passed through London on my way back to the US I stopped to tell him about
    my trip. Speculation on the Souk al Manakh was financed with a curious type
    of informal margin financing by way of post dated checks. So rapid was the
    rise in the Gulf market that post dated checks paid an interest rate of 100%
    per annum. Ali was financing speculators in this market. He listened and he
    smiled.

    At the beginning of August I had completed my report for the government of
    the UAE. I told them that the market they wanted to organize was a bubble
    and that it would crash. Some weeks later I heard from Ali. He called to
    thank me for my advice on my recent visit. He had called in all his post
    dated checks. "Did you hear what happened to the Souk?", he asked. "No", I
    replied. "Well, it topped quietly at mid summer after you left, with no
    provocation. One can't quite say it declined or it crashed; it has just
    stopped trading."

    The Souk al Manakh was the greatest speculative mania of all time. One could
    not even speak of valuation. Margin financing reached unimaginable extremes;
    one speculator, who had been a customs clerk two years earlier, had at the
    peak $14 billion in stocks financed with $14 billion of margin debt. The
    people involved believed that the oil rich Gulf was truly a "New Era". It
    did not take a trigger to burst this bubble; it simply crested sometime in
    the dreadful heat of the Middle East's summer. Its decline was so
    discontinuous it cannot be called a crash. There were simply no bids.

    The Veneroso Report will be published in the near future. It will cover the
    economy, commodities, Asia, and economic issues of the day. If you would
    like to receive the inaugural issue, free of charge via e-mail, to determine
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    REFLECTIONS ON THE TOKYO STOCKMARKET BUBBLE

    June 1,1998 By Marshall Auerback

    Marshall Auerback is a partner in Veneroso Associates responsible for fund
    management, and a contributor to the emerging markets' group.

    It is the view of Veneroso Associates that the US stock market is a classic
    asset bubble of historic proportions. This type of financial overshooting
    generally goes much further than any rational investor would normally
    envisage, thereby inducing suspension of belief in conventional financial
    limits. Everyone becomes an adherent to "New Era" thinking, a belief that
    "this time it's different." Frank Veneroso was an advisor in the Persian
    Gulf in 1982, at the crest of the greatest stock market bubble of all time,
    and has written about this in "Memories of the Souk Al-Manakh." I was a
    portfolio manager in Tokyo in the late 1980's and witnessed a similarly
    spectacular bubble in Japan as well as the aftermath, the effects of which
    we are still experiencing globally today. Our shared historical perspective
    has enabled us to draw parallels with today's US stock market. I offer these
    personal recollections of that time in Japan to give the reader another
    point of reference in relation to the current excesses.

    There has been much comment in the Western press recently, positing the
    notion that America is currently in the midst of a huge stock market bubble.
    What has been striking has been the degree to which this notion has been
    disparaged in several leading publications, notably the New York Times and
    Wall Street Journal. Just two weeks ago, for example, the editorial page of
    the Wall Street Journal ran a piece entitled "Let's Burst the 'Bubble'
    Theory," by Alan Reynolds, a director of economic research at the Hudson
    Institute in Indianapolis.

    As someone who witnessed at first hand the inexorable rise of the Japanese
    stock market in the late eighties from Tokyo, and its inevitable fall during
    the early nineties, I am struck by the many similarities between the current
    phenomenon in the United States and the final stages of Tokyo's great bull
    market in 1989. Not the least of these parallels was the tendency of the
    respectable, mainstream press in Japan to disparage those ignorant Western
    "gaijin", who persistently characterized the Japanese equity market as a
    bubble of historic proportions.

    By 1989, real estate in the Maranouchi district of Tokyo was valued as
    expensively as all of the land in the state of California. Most mainstream
    stocks on the Tokyo First Section (the equivalent of the S&P 500) traded on
    multiples in excess of 60 times. Bank stocks typically traded in excess of
    100 times' historic earnings. My favorite was the Industrial Bank of Japan
    (IBJ), which I attempted to short at 300 times' earnings, only to be stopped
    out later in the year at 400 times' earnings, and watching it peak at 600
    times' earnings.

    The sociological signs were all apparent as well: Tokyo's restaurants and
    nightclubs were full each night until the early hours of the morning (my two
    favorites were called "Gold" and "M-za" - they eventually went bust in
    1991). Little 750 square foot beach houses in Shimoda (about 2 hours' south
    of Tokyo on the Izu Peninsula) were selling in excess of US$500,000, despite
    the fact that summer traffic jams usually ensured a comfortable 7 hour
    journey along the main motorway back to Tokyo on Sunday evening. Friday
    evenings in Roppongi (the hangout of choice for the bond traders of Salomon,
    Goldman Sachs, and Morgan Stanley) entailed a fateful decision around
    11:00PM - to go home at that time or wait until 4:00AM the next morning. The
    reason for this was because the trains stopped running at 11:30. By
    midnight, it became virtually impossible for a foreigner to secure a taxi,
    since the taxi drivers were all waiting for the drunken Japanese salarymen,
    who staggered out of the hostess bars at 1:00 or 2:00 AM, ready to fork out
    the $200-$250 cab fare for the hour and a half journey back to Chiba or
    Yokohama (all on company expenses of course). Needless to say, none of these
    poor foot soldiers of "Japan Inc.", could afford the $1 million plus cost
    required to buy a comfortable, family-size home in central Tokyo. We
    foreigners found living in Tokyo affordable only because our monthly $5,000
    rents were assumed by our respective employers, as part of the lucrative
    expatriate package.

    In retrospect, it seems easy to say that we were in the midst of one of the
    great bubbles of all time. But those of all who questioned the mania at the
    time were given the Japanese variant of "this time it's different." Having
    quickly bounced back from the 1987 crash (all caused by stupid, panicky
    foreigners, we were told at the time), the Japanese genuinely began to
    believe in their market's invincibility. Publicly, the Japanese would be
    quoted in newspapers, suggesting that they had reached parity with America.
    Privately when you met with a few Japanese friends, they would tell you
    after a few glasses of sake how they hoped to "bury" the US, and how vastly
    superior was their model (sound familiar?). Companies trading at 60 times
    earnings would issue warrants with even higher conversion prices and then
    swap the proceeds into dollars or Swiss francs (the yen was very strong at
    this time), bringing their cost of capital down to virtually zero. A zero
    cost of capital does make a company seem fairly formidable, so it was
    difficult even for us skeptics to envisage what would ultimately bring down
    this Pacific colossus.

    Another feature of the economy at that time was the cross-share holding
    linkages amongst the various companies. This was particularly important in
    relation to the banks, which were able to count their shareholdings in other
    companies as part of their Tier II capital reserve requirements. With the
    Nikkei powering away to 39,000 (on its way to 44,000 I was told by a
    strategist at the end of 1989), this gave the banks enormous unrealized
    gains, which padded their reserve ratios, and induced them to go on a
    reckless lending spree globally. After all, if you could issue a
    warrant/convertible bond issue with an effective yield of 0.5%, it was still
    feasible to lend at less than 2% and make money. Given the apparent power of
    the banks' respective balance sheets, all of the Japanese financial
    institutions were able to undercut their foreign competitors on lending
    spreads, leading to a further expansion of their balance sheets and an
    exacerbation of the real estate bubble.

    In addition to this tremendous asset inflation, the other striking feature
    of the Japanese economic landscape at the time was the relatively low rate
    of reported Japanese inflation, which resolutely remained locked in the 2 -
    2.5% range. This virtuous cycle of ever rising stock and real estate prices,
    coupled with a miniscule cost of capital, looked like it was going to go on
    forever. But the music all stopped in late December 1989, when then Bank of
    Japan Governor Yasushi Mieno finally raised the official discount rate for
    the first time in years. The stock market immediately plunged from 39,000 to
    28,000 in four months (pausing very briefly at 34,000 - the Japanese
    domestic institutions were told by the Ministry of Finance that this was a
    good area to start buying the market again). We then rallied back up to
    33,000 by August, leading everyone to assume that the worst was over, and
    that the Japanese monetary authorities had expertly deflated the bubble
    without causing a major depression. Unfortunately, Saddam Hussein's brief
    excursion into Kuwait put paid to that notion, and the Nikkei subsequently
    fell again to 20,000 before moderately recovering again by the end of 1990.

    Even as the stock market was plunging, the Japanese still didn't realize
    that the game was up. Stock syndicates (which often were fronts for Japanese
    gangsters - the yakuza - seeking to launder their money), continued to
    target certain illiquid issues, hoping to ramp them up, even as the market
    around them was crashing. I remember in particular being told of one such
    stock, Honshu Paper, which was picked up by the syndicates when it was
    trading around 1600 yen - a mere 200 times' earnings to boot. The stock
    reached 2400 yen fairly quickly, where I tried to short it. The stock then
    rose to 3200, where I was stopped out. It subsequently rose to 5000 yen
    (about 700 times' earnings - and, no, it wasn't that great a paper company)
    before it went ex-dividend, enabling a few of us hardy speculators to obtain
    stock to borrow (if at first you don't succeed…). The stock subsequently
    plummeted to 400 yen, which pretty well signaled the end of this type of
    speculation in Japan.

    Eight years on, the Nikkei is still trading at less than half of its 1989
    peak. The Japanese Second Section (the small cap market, roughly equivalent
    to the Russell 2000), is back to its 1983 level. IBJ and Sumitomo Bank have
    recently issued convertible bonds to overseas' investors in which both were
    forced to offer yields in excess of 7%. Real estate prices having been
    falling steadily since 1991, and there is no indication of a bottom being
    reached just yet.

    Yes, the cross-shareholdings, the massive lending to real estate, the margin
    debt, after the fact, all of these structural weaknesses were laid bare in
    the aftermath of the crash. They were not, however, so readily apparent from
    1987-89, when the Japanese confidently dismissed predictions of their
    system's demise. Belief in the suspension of conventional financial limits
    is very easy to do during a rampant bull market. The weaknesses in the
    system do not appear until the liquidity boom ceases. So whilst the
    particular symptoms of America's current stock market bubble might differ in
    some respects from Japan's in the late eighties, one dominant .psychological
    feature does appear common to both: the belief that somehow "it's different
    this time" (the New Paradigm), the tendency to dismiss historic and absurdly
    high valuations as the moanings of silly Cassandra's who didn't have enough
    foresight to get on the bandwagon and who now resent that fact, the endless
    displays of hubris, and the concomitant belief in the obvious superiority of
    one's economic system. The 1980's were an extraordinary period of growth,
    low inflation, and dynamism for the Japanese economy. But look what's
    happening now.

    The Veneroso Report will be published in the near future. It will cover the
    economy, commodities, Asia, and economic issues of the day.

  • Pumpkin Soup

    1/2 QLD or Japonica pumpkin as orange as possible (butternut are OK but sometimes bland, if good colour OK)
    1 potato (medium to large, about 3 medium potatoes per pumpkin)
    1 leek - slice finely across
    1 Maggi Chicken Stock cube
    2 cups of homemade chicken stock (I boil down chicken cartiledge to help joints, like knees. I find it really helps and makes me feel good). If not available 2 cups of chicken stck or another 2 stock cubes.

    Bay leaves ( can to saucepan and remove at end). I didn't use this time and it tasted fine.
    Salt and ground black pepper

    Boil together in a large saucepan.
    Remove bay leaves when pumpkin cooked (softer)
    Blend in a blender. (can blend only as much as needed). or use a blender stick in sauepan.
    Serve with a spoon of sour cream and add a dusting of cracked black pepper and salt if more needed at end. Stir in sour cream to plate after served.

    Add some chives to top and I like to add some broccoli (also boiled separately).

    Yum! (It was the leek that made it!)

  • Military Aircraft Registration Card - JOKE from 2000

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  • It's just a zero sum game?? HUH??

    lack of constraints..it ain't just the players getting hurt, and its not just a simple zero sum game involving only the players.. even assuming its a level fair playing field for the players (which it ain't!)

    seems to mean everyone pays by devaluation of the currency here
    Iceland - the spike then collapse
    http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/04/iceland200904

    More on Iceland
    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article9986.html
    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article9987.html

    Or just pay more at the pump here...
    The 2008 oil spike then collapse in prices
    http://philsbackupsite.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/the-other-crime-of-the-century-2008%e2%80%99s-

    To a way lesser extent we have the US housing spike/bubble, caused by excessive easy credit/debt leading to a rise in prices which couldn't be sustained unless the US dollar is "inflated" via monetary easing.. then again its not the players who get hurt, but the savers, particularly those near or in retirement whose money buying power is eroded..

  • The US housing bubble and stockmarket bubble and commodities

    Robert Prechter, New York Times best-selling author and renowned market analyst, was recently asked to present his thoughts on the real estate market and the financial crisis to the Georgia Legislature. The Elliott Wave International has made the full presentation available free , including the full transcript and 30-minute online video. It's worth joining to listen.

  • What's going on with the economy?

    Hi all,
    I've put together a few thoughts . My first interest was history including comparative economic history which I developed an interest in in high school, so long ago. I began by studying economics at Uni. These are a few thoughts I agree with.

    Fred Thompson On The Economy
    (at end don't click on more or the play button, just "again" if you want to listen again)

    28th December 2008 - 10 minutes


    The Australian stimulus package to ape the US one was hurried through parliament during the week of the bushfires. My understanding from listening to the TV was that question time was stopped for the entire week(due to it being considered not decent for politicians to name-call each other during the bushfires I think ?). I watched on the news one female politician say it was "unpatriotic to question the stimulus package" I formed the impression it was being said that you would virtually be a traitor if you didn't support the stimulus package.. ie the handouts and take them and spend spend spend. How this is supposed to help, except in the very short term for retail shops is beqyond me!! The Xmas one was spent on the pokies and in buying plastic etc for Xmas, mostly I assume made in China , Japan. I hope their economies benefitted a little?, although I didn't hear any mention of any multiplier effect felt over there either. Some was used wisely (I think) to pay off mortgages and credit card debt.
    It did keep shops open and profitable up to February, but unfortunately, and not surprisingly, it had little if no effect for the positive.
    The negative effect, sadly, will be felt in the future when we are short of money and taxes are put up(affecting those working) or pensions reduced or inflation from printing money reduces the purchasing power of everyone on a fixed income and all savers including retireees trying to eke a living with their reduced purchasing power. This new stimulus is going the same way, and I think should prove to be just as useless, at best.
    Luckily our govt has a money tree(TIC), the mint, and they can print as much money as they like. Taxes can only be increased so far( I Think it was up to 75% in the 30's? in some countries- perhaps that was just the marginal tax for higher income earners)to help pay back the stimulus package. Pity for those with any savings they were hoping to live on in the future, those near retirement who have worked and saved all their life, and those reliant on fixed income, their money will not hold its value. The inflation from printing money to increase the money supply to prevent deflation is the worry. With a larger proportion of our population nearing or in retirement this was always the concern for the future. Now it will be harder, and with inflation corroding their savings almost impossible. Deflation(to a mild extent) will at least keep the value of whatever savings are left, although making if more difficult for borrowers to pay back what they owe, perhaps the easieless onerous task for future generations. Any drop in prices in housing for example will mean that many can then afford a house in the future, something they had previosuly given up any hope of. Unlike the US we did not have nonre3course home loans, with little up front savings needed!
    Homeowners are no worse off if they sell and buy another house and kids inheriting also no worse off, as they can still buy the same amount of housing with hwat they sell the parents house for. Any savings will retain their value and purchase the same amount of goods if not more and this may help make up for the 40% loss(some more, some less) in their savings they have lost so far. (Unfortunately the figures quoted I fear only include up to End June 2007.)
    Those on fixed incomes will be better off, but perhaps they can be taxed to give debt payers a break?

    I question whether we have to have these stimulus packages and massive govt borrowings to avoid this deflation scenario. Is it soo bad?
    Isn't it a good thing to have cyclical gradual deflation to help hold the value for everyone.
    Yes, it would stop overspending and spending before needed so may slightly slow the economy, but in the end we all only need so much food and so much clothes and so much electricity and cars.
    It would cause more thriftiness, but is overspending and living beyond one's means in the longer term a great thing?.. surely the growing debt will eventually have to be paid if not by you or putting the future of your kids wuth massive tax bills, then by a lowering of the value of money for everyone(by printing more money as is happening I gather)

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    FIAT EMPIRE - Why the Federal Reserve Violates the U.S. Constitution
    12th June 2007 - 60 minutes

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    Inside Story on Septembers Financial and Economic Meltdown
    20th February 2009 - 56 minutes

    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article9012.html
    pls use this link if above does not work
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xderHvi5mDU
    Ron Paul: Stimulus "Waste of Money" Sad Day for America CNN 2 16 09

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    Ron Paul- the Economic Crisis
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    That’s a 10-day chart of Wachovia Bank (WB), the nation’s fourth largest bank, whose “price discovery” resembled Mr Toad’s Wild Ride, before crashing in Citigroup’s (C) lap. Just remember this, the next time the SEC bans short selling, and an insolvent bank’s market cap jumps $20B overnight - SELL
    http://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2008/10/2/saupload_wb10.JPG
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    http://seekingalpha.com/article/124062-a-stairway-to-retail-heaven-part-1?source=wl_sidebar

    I did notice the US spending around the world. I've wondewred how their ndollar could hold up so well, thus giving them their buying power. _________________________________

  • Parking and Driving- Jokes

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8ANegTEqW4
    Who says women can't park

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mG1-D81Wtg
    First for women Car Insurance

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRYN2-sfos0
    Turning a bus around

    Tyres
    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe41W1n7yQQ or http://michaelwyres.com/2007/09/controlled-tyre/

  • Family History - Lancashire

    http://www.cemsearch.co.uk/links.html

    http://www.cemsearch.co.uk/

    crookall graved at preston are here
    http://www.cemsearch.co.uk/preston/preston.html

    but "my" Crookalls came from Rufford (near Preston, so probably related in past). Rufford not available as yet.

    OPC website - http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html
    Rufford available here
    Baptisms 1783 to 1812 from the Parish of Rufford
    http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Rufford/stmary/index.html

    Baptism: 24 Feb 1805 St Mary the Virgin, Rufford, Lancashire, England
    George Crookall - Son of Henry Crookall & Mary, his Wife
    Abode: Liverpool
    Occupation: Cooper
    Register: Baptisms 1783 - 1812, Page 30, Entry 898
    Source: LDS Film 1526059

    http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Rufford/stmary/index.html

    This appears to be the ONLY Crookall entry in Rufford, so perhaps the rest were from Liverpool(the name abode in thi stranscript and where the sponsor lived in the original transcript) or Preston(a no of Crookalls are listed here and it is closeby)

    found George Crookall ( who I already knew about from a prfeviously pain manual search of Parish records at Rufford by Rev. Cook of Brisbane many eyars ago)
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    Possible but unlikely first marriage of George crookall, found using search
    http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html on George Crookall

    Marriage: 5 Oct 1824 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
    George Crookall - Joiner of Liverpool
    Margaret Langley - Minor of Liverpool
    Married by Licence by: T Kidd Curate
    Register: Marriages 1824, Page 8, Entry 100
    Source: LDS Film 1068891

    (he would have been 19?) and then moved ??
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